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Cyrus had two sons. After his death, Cambyses, the older son, became ruler of all Persia. The younger son, Smerdis, was made a governor of Bactria and the Defender of the East. As soon as his rule was secure, Cambyses set out on a campaign to subjugate Egypt who was Persias only true rival.

Into the scene steps Darius. Darius is the nephew of Cyrus and he is Cambyses right hand man on the Egyptian campaign. The problem is, Darius is also very ambitious. He sends a message to secretly that his older brother had died on campaign and young Smerdis needs to hurry to the capital to secure the throne. Then Darius tells Cambyses that his younger brother has gone to the capital to usurp the throne from his older brother.

Cambyses, with his army, immediately turns around and sets for home. On the journey he has an accident where he falls from his horse and lands on his sword. The injury proves to be mortal. One down, one to go.

Darius, along with six other conspirators, on the pretense of bringing news of Cambyses death to his brother, left the army behind and made a lightening dash to the capital. Upon arriving at the palace they demanded to immediately be brought into Smerdis presence. Since he was a man of dignity and importance, no one thought to question Darius right up to the bedroom door. There the seven men delivered their message through the bloodying of seven swords.

Now here is the kicker. Although Darius now became the next in line for the throne, nobody would accept a man who committed double regicide as their leader. He needed to use some of the mages of the god Ahura Mazda along with the Zoroastrian priests to help spread the story that Cambyses had actually killed his brother long ago and set up an imposter in his place. This imposter had stepped above himself and made a bid for the throne and that is why Darius had come and killed him. In addition to this, they said that Cambyses fall from his horse was actually the god Mazdas vengeance for his evil deed. Not stopping there, a Zoroastrian priest made the prophesy that Darius was the Hand of Truth and anyone who opposed him was an enemy of god and a servant of the Lie.

Darius had hijacked the truth. With the help of an ambitious and corrupt priesthood he successfully rewrote history and social morality so that whoever dared to oppose him was setting themselves against the anointed of god. By having the priesthood declare him the Hand of Truth anyone who opposed him would be, by default, a morally bankrupt enemy of the truth.

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I see today, in our society, a political/religious culture that has pulled the same stunt. They ignore such biblical teachings as love your enemy, pray for those that persecute you, and do good to those that mistreat you. Instead they misuse an eye for an eye as a weak justification for the bringing down of two sovereign nations as retaliation for the toppling of two towers. They even ignore the fact that none of the nineteen hijackers were from either of these two countries and Saudi Arabia, the country that was home for fifteen of them is still somehow considered our friend.

The whole point of the Hebrew maxim an eye for an eye is to prevent the escalation of force. Just dont bring that up around the Israeli army as they roll in with their tanks to flatten another Palestinian village. They are to busy abusing an eye for an eye to retaliate against another lunatic suicide bomber who snapped when he could no longer deal in a world that has beat him down one too many times. If they really wanted to end terrorism Israel and America should instead invest its efforts in putting an end to the breeding grounds of oppression, injustice, and extreme poverty that our greed is so often one of the root causes of. But this culture that has hijacked the truth doesnt want to hear that. They have drawn a mythical parallel between the current political nation of Israel and the historical children of Israel, Gods chosen. As a result, even though the nation of Israel continues to defy human rights and the world opinion, breaking more UN sanctions than any other 5 countries combined, this culture still believes they can do no wrong.

This dishonest usurpation of the moral high ground does not just occur overseas. Right here at home the so called religious right continues to push for the cutting of necessary and humane social programs so that the rich can continue to get their tax breaks creating an ever wider economic gap. I do not know how they can continue to use this name when scripture makes it clear that true religion is to look after widows and orphans in their distress. They must also ignore Jesus instructions to the rich man when he said that if he wanted to inherit eternal life he needs to liquidate his assets and give all the proceeds to the poor.

This hypocrisy is evident in many other immoral social and political stands of the so called moral majority. But its these two titles: the moral majority and the religious right that, like Darius Hand of Truth that I find so annoyingly duplicitous. Does this mean that anybody with the courage and integrity to stand up to them is really a part of an immoral minority? If I am neither pagan nor leftist (or they might prefer, wrong), am I required to tow the party line of these religious right hijackers of truth?

It was Darius who was stopped cold by the Greeks and who brought about the beginning of the decline of Persian world dominance. If we allow this culture to continue to have such a strong voice in determining our domestic and world policy, are we headed in the same direction? Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, America has been the preeminent global power, but as we conntinue to let arrogance, greed, and self-righteousness guide our path, the rest of the world is growing to resent us more and more. It is time to take back what is right and good and true from those who have twisted it for their own unchristian purposes.



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Avadon the Destroyer

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Unless you were asleep, the last 8 years were full of "arrogance, greed, and self-righteousness guide our path, the rest of the world is growing to resent us more and more" and we had a very Christian president that was voted into office by Christians. Clearly what we need is more tolerance and less Christianity.

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Aaron

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He was not a christian, nor was he a republican.

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You completely and absolutely missed the entire point of the post. Did you even read it, or just skip right to the end?

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Teslarocker

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This is why Right-wing Christians are the biggest hippocrites in the world. There are many, many references in the bible to helping the poor and the widdows, far more than there are about homosexuality. But do Conservative Christians ever talk about helping the poor and the widdows? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Instead they act like the only two issues the bible addresses at all are homosexuality and abortion. When in truth the bible does not address abortion at all. Not once!

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Ken

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I disagree with you about the root cause of terrorism. I dont believe that its due to oppression by the US or Israel, but rather a hatred among some to anyone that disagrees with their position. Many of these terrorists are from the middle class or wealthy and not the poor.

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David

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Teslarocker wrote:

This is why Right-wing Christians are the biggest hippocrites in the world. There are many, many references in the bible to helping the poor and the widdows, far more than there are about homosexuality. But do Conservative Christians ever talk about helping the poor and the widdows? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Instead they act like the only two issues the bible addresses at all are homosexuality and abortion. When in truth the bible does not address abortion at all. Not once!



Yes. There are plenty of references to help the poor and widows. However, you will also find it is something that we are supposed to opt-in for, not something the government should coerce us into doing. This is what the church is supposed to be doing.

The Bible doesnt mention abortion by name, but there are several verses that can help you understand when human life begins and the sanctity of human life, thus giving guidelines that are pretty strongly against abortion. If you really want me to, I can list them. But I dont really feel like it right now.

I generally agree that the "Moral Majority" and "Religious Right" are misnomers. A lot of people in the "religious right" believe that Obama has no business being the president, when scripture clearly teaches that God puts leaders in their positions.

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Wakefield

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Aaron wrote:

He was not a christian, nor was he a republican.




say whaaaat?!?



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Aaron

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Please provide proof that GWB was/is a Christian. Him saying so does not make it true, as Christianity is defined by what one does, not what one says.

He is a member of the republican party, and they are as much republican as the federal reserve is federal.


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Wakefield

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Aaron wrote:

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Please provide proof that GWB was/is a Christian. Him saying so does not make it true, as Christianity is defined by what one does, not what one says.

He is a member of the republican party, and they are as much republican as the federal reserve is federal.

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i see that youre one of those people that just makes the rules as they go....

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Anonymous

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Wakefield wrote:

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Aaron wrote:

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Please provide proof that GWB was/is a Christian. Him saying so does not make it true, as Christianity is defined by what one does, not what one says.

He is a member of the republican party, and they are as much republican as the federal reserve is federal.

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i see that youre one of those people that just makes the rules as they go....

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I see you are one of those who doesnt think he has to provide proof to wild claims.



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Avadon the Destroyer

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Aaron wrote:

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Please provide proof that GWB was/is a Christian. Him saying so does not make it true, as Christianity is defined by what one does, not what one says.

He is a member of the republican party, and they are as much republican as the federal reserve is federal.

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Well by your logic then neither are you.



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Avadon the Destroyer

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all that is necessary to be a Christian is to believe Christ exists. Thats it. There is no special morality necessary. There are moral christans and immoral christians. Half the jackasses or more in prison will say they are Christians. Nothing special about catching the religious equivalent of a social disease.

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Aaron

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lol Avadon

Do you disagree that true Christianity is lived by the hand and not the tongue?

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Avadon the Destroyer

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Aaron wrote:

lol Avadon

Do you disagree that true Christianity is lived by the hand and not the tongue?




Wed all like to think that actions are louder then words, but words are just as devastating and since no two people will every agree on what is or is not a Christian action you have to take people at face value when they tell you they believe something.



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Avadon the Destroyer

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Look at it this way..

Its not like saying you are a vegetarian. A vegetarian has a very strict definition. One who does not eat meat.

But if I said "Im a Pagan" do I have to practice witchcraft, do I have to abide by certainly morality, do I have to adorn my house? NO! All I have to do is believe in more then one deity. Thats how Christianity is, all you have to do is believe in Christ, hell if you want to get technical you dont even have to believe in Jesus as the term Christ means just a "messiah" and there have been many who claimed to be messiahs of mankind, Jesus was simply one in the continuum.

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Aaron

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look all I am asking for is some proof that he is a Christian. What deeds has he done that makes him a Christian. This shouldnt be so hard.

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Avadon the Destroyer

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Aaron wrote:

look all I am asking for is some proof that he is a Christian. What deeds has he done that makes him a Christian. This shouldnt be so hard.




He says hes one. Thats all the evidence you can get when it comes to belief. We cant check his shorts for **** stains. lol

If I told you I was a Buddhist what evidence would you need to convince you?

When it comes to matters of faith or belief all you can do is trust people at face value. Its not like someone claiming they are a serial killer which has a specific value, the murder of more then one person at more then one occurrence.



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Aaron

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Then how can you blame Christianity when your only way of determining whether or not someone is a Christian is by their word of mouth? That is not scientific. Christianity is not the problem. People are the problem.

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Avadon the Destroyer

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Aaron wrote:

Then how can you blame Christianity when your only way of determining whether or not someone is a Christian is by their word of mouth? That is not scientific. Christianity is not the problem. People are the problem.




Aaron, thats like saying "Capitalism isnt the problem, people are the problem". You cant separate an indistinguishable union. The people are Christian. Without people you wouldnt have Christianity and Christianity is defined by the people. So yes the people are the problem and so contingently is Christianity. Christianity is not an ideology devoid of people, but rather created by people and the philosophy is still being discerned, discovered, and proselytized to this day.

Yours is an appeal to morality by way of a no true Scotsman fallacy.

I.e. "You cant be a Christian unless your against abortion"
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"No true Christian would support gay marriage"

These are the problems with your logic. The only thing that makes someone Christian is an expression of belief in the ideal(s). Just the same as what makes someone a buddhist. You and I both know we can throw scripture at each other as far as the day is long. In the end though the only way we have of knowing if someone is a Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, Satanist, Wicca, Sikh, Animist, pantheist, etc. is by an expression of their belief in such a religion or philosophy.



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Aaron

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You are the one blaming Christianity, yet you dont even know how to define Christianity other than by those who claim to be one. You lack integrity and a good argument.

but you were right about one thing... capitalism is not the problem, people are the problem. capitalism is part of nature, and exists in every form of government.

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Avadon the Destroyer wrote:

all that is necessary to be a Christian is to believe Christ exists. Thats it. There is no special morality necessary. There are moral christans and immoral christians. Half the jackasses or more in prison will say they are Christians. Nothing special about catching the religious equivalent of a social disease.




áChristian literally means "little Christ". To be a Christian is to be a Christ follower. Just believing is NOT enough to be a Christian. After all, "even the demons believe, and they fear him."

If someone claimed to be a Buddhist, I'd expect to see a certain lifestyle. If it was not there, I'd doubt their claim. If someone claimed to be a Jew while eating pork ribs, I'd assume they meant a Jew by ethnicity, not orthodoxy. A person's religion effects their lifestyle. If it does not, they have none.



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Tesslarocker

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David wrote:


The Bible doesnt mention abortion by name, but there are several verses that can help you understand when human life begins and the sanctity of human life, thus giving guidelines that are pretty strongly against abortion. If you really want me to, I can list them. But I dont really feel like it right now.


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Thou shalt not kill means thou shalt not kill another living thing. A fetus is not a baby


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Ken

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A fetus is living by every definition of the word. A human fetus is a human. Killing a human fetus is murder.

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David

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Tesslarocker wrote:

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Thou shalt not kill means thou shalt not kill another living thing. A fetus is not a baby

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áOK, youve asked for it.

Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers? (Job 31:15).

Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mothers breast. From birth I was cast upon you; from my mothers womb you have been my God (Psalm 22:9-10).

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mothers womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-16).

This is what the LORD sayshe who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you...(Isaiah 44:2).

Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the house of Israel, you whom I have upheld since you were conceived, and have carried since your birth. Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you (Isaiah 46:3-4).

And now the LORD sayshe who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength (Isaiah 49:5).

The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:4-5).

When Elizabeth heard Marys greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy" (Luke 1:41-42, 44).

You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13).

"And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the womans husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life." (Exodus 21:22-23)

There is also that bit about Samson:

Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, "A man of God came to me and his appearance was like the appearance of the angel of God, very awesome. And I did not ask him where he came from, nor did he tell me his name. "But he said to me, ..Behold, you shall conceive and give birth to a son, and now you shall not drink wine or strong drink nor eat any unclean thing, for the boy shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb to the day of his death." (Judges 13:6-7, see also Judges 16:17)

Clearly, God has a different view on abortion than you do.



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Teslarocker

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Look David, and I guess Ken. The bible sets a hierarchy of which things are more important than others. Charity is clearly considered the most important thing in the world by the bible. And yes. I am in fact saying that people who dont address the most important thing in the world, in this case charity, therefore lose the right to complain about something that is much more minor, homosexuality

In other words David and Ken, when you guys become so charitable that CNN does a story on you or you get a building, a park, a street or a fountain named after you, then I will listen to your rants about homosexuality. Until then get lost!

And there are no references in the bible to abortion. Randall Terry couldnt even think of any and he was an absolute fanatic

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Ken

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There are plenty of references to God knowing us while were still in the womb. Abortion ends a human life. Homosexuality isnt a big issue for me, but I know that it is for some people.

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Teslarocker

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You want immoral? Turning your back on needy widdows and other poor people. Now thats immoral. Far more immoral than homosexuality

Address the most important issue in the world guys. You can worry about a much more minor issue like homosexuality later

And abortion still isnt mentioned in the bible. Just like it wasnt yesterday!

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Kyle

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Now now lets be nice here....remember were adults and not 5 year old kids.

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The Philosopher

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I noticed the "opposition" has not posted a single scripture verse to back the claims. Hmmm....


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tyler

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Homosexuality Isnt so minor along with worrying about their salvation (I realize we all sin and homosexuality doesnt necessarily mean they are going to hell) but I fear that with their gaining rights to get married they will eventually make hate laws that could possibly make parts of the Bible literally Illegal to read or teach in church.

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David

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Teslarocker wrote:

You want immoral? Turning your back on needy widdows and other poor people. Now thats immoral. Far more immoral than homosexuality

Address the most important issue in the world guys. You can worry about a much more minor issue like homosexuality later

And abortion still isnt mentioned in the bible. Just like it wasnt yesterday!



abortion isnt mentioned in the bible because the word abortion is newer than the bible. just because a word isnt mentioned in the bible does not mean that the bible doesnt say something about it. For instance, you will not find the following words in the bible:

rapture
trinity
the bible
atheism
divinity
incarnation
monotheism

yet the bible has plenty to say about each of the above topics.

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david

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Teslarocker wrote:

You want immoral? Turning your back on needy widdows and other poor people. Now thats immoral. Far more immoral than homosexuality

Address the most important issue in the world guys. You can worry about a much more minor issue like homosexuality later

And abortion still isnt mentioned in the bible. Just like it wasnt yesterday!



Also, we cant pick and choose when it comes to truth. We must both condemn homosexuality and help the needy. I dont think its so hard to do both.

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Jessica

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Wether this is true or not why don't pelope make it to where pelope have the best enironment before birth as possible or better yet try and make the human body as a whole less sensative and not as easily swayed by bad events. A person should have the best nutrition and rest the first few weeks because by birth definitly by a few´╗┐ years of age almost all of the body is formed anyway, not that a person can't become fit but this warming should be heded anyway.

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I am a Christian and I would just like to say that ALL Christians need to stop judging pelope and causing division. Christ died for EVERYONE and God is the ultimate judge, not us. The number one thing we need to focus on is the Gospel, telling the world about it, allowing for rejection of it (because pelope are going to reject it) moving on and allowing God to judge. That's what Christ told us to do and we should do nothing else besides that. We are not judges and we need to accept that. The end

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